BUCK: Now, she later went to, I believe it was, social media. That guy is… He’s sort of a comedian, slash, what? I remember him from… Do you remember his name? He did the mask dance in the Dallas committee meeting. Do you know what I’m talking about? He’s done some of these viral videos. So he’s like provocateur comedian guy, right? He’s a guy who goes out there and does stuff like this. AOC, Clay, claimed that she was going to punch him, but she didn’t want to, quote, “catch a case” later.
And some are saying, look, you know, there are people out there who still remember that Ocasio-Cortez was among those Democrat voices who says, “Don’t let Supreme Court justices have a moment peace and quiet anywhere! Go harass former Trump administration officials if you want. Go abuse people verbally in public ’cause you don’t like their politics.” She doesn’t seem to take it very well when someone is, admittedly, being a bit provocative.
CLAY: Yeah, that’s, by the way, Alex Stein is his name. He is — as the New York Post calls him — “a right-wing instigator.” But really what he is establishing is exactly what you said, Buck, which is that she has been arguing for some time, “Hey, you should get up in the face of those Supreme Court justices and let everybody know that this is a substantial issue that you need to be able to protest,” and look, this is obviously satire, the fact that…
If you listen to that audio again, he says she’s “my favorite big booty Latina who wants to kill babies.” I don’t think usually when you’re trying to catcall a woman that you include the fact that she wants to kill babies over her abortion perspectives. But here’s the deal with AOC. She is a 32-year-old Instagram influencer who happened to get elected to Congress. I don’t have anything against Instagram influencers, Buck, but in virtually every different segment…
You can be an Instagram influencer who is motivated by home decor. You can be an Instagram influencer who is motivated by fitness. Every single thing that someone could be interested in, there is an Instagram influencer who is making a living off of it. She happens to be a good-looking bartender who got elected to Congress and is now an Instagram influencer version of a congressperson. I’ve watched some of her clips. I’ve watched her interviews.
It’s not like I’m an obsessive fan who’s sitting around and watching all these different videos she puts out. But she’s never said anything remotely intelligent to me, Buck, or had an opinion where I took a step back and said, “Oh, you know what? That’s somewhat interesting,” and you can at least say, “Hey, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, I think they have awful political ideals. I don’t agree with their perspectives. But they’ll make an argument sometimes,” and I’ll sit back and I’ll think, “Oh, well, that’s an intriguing argument.
“How would I attack it to argue that it is not a very valid perspective to be advocating for?” AOC, Buck, has never even said anything where I thought, “Oh, I’ll engage in a battle of wits here.” There ain’t much witty going on there. She’s an Instagram influencer who got elected to Congress, and she couldn’t even handle this heckling, although in the video she throws up the peace sign and kind of poses alongside of the guy who is there on the steps making the funny video. And then she says, “Oh, I thought about going to hit him.” No, you didn’t. I keep you saw the video go viral, you recognized that you didn’t actually stand up for yourself, and so you tried to argue that you thought about standing up for yourself.
BUCK: Then also, it’s so ridiculous. The notion that you would respond to some guy who is making those kind of comments, which, I know there’s some people who are outraged performer other people are chuckling at it. Depends, you know, who you talk to. You’re gonna punch somebody? Think about the stuff that’s said to you and me. Not everyone loves us, Clay. This is a crazy world we live in. But not everybody thinks that we’re so great. They say horrible things to us.
And I’m sure people have said things to you in public. I know people have said things to me in public that I didn’t particularly. You can’t go around hitting them. Now, I know she didn’t hit anybody. But the notion that that would be an appropriate thought for a member of Congress to have on the steps of the Capitol because somebody said something about, quote, “her booty”? That is not the way that we should be reacting to these things.
Just do what every member of Congress does, ignore it. I think he also chased after… What’s his name, the little guy who cries about “insurrection”? Kinzinger. Kinzinger. He’s the other little guy who cries about the insurrection. But Kinzinger was walking in, and I think he got also asked, like, “Why do you enjoy being a traitor?” or something. So, this is part of the job. On the steps of the Capitol people are probably gonna say things sometimes you’re going in you don’t like to hear. That is different from a mop chasing after Supreme Court justice in a restaurant, though, ad I think this is —
CLAY: Yeah, look. My perspective on it in general is, I’m anti what Maxine Waters said. I don’t agree with the idea that you should go get up in somebody’s face if you see ’em out in public and you don’t agree with them. There was a video that went viral of Tucker Carlson, Buck. I think it was like in a Maine hunting and fishing store.
BUCK: Fishing? That was in Central Park.
CLAY: Well, Central Park, but I think there was one of him in Maine.
BUCK: Oh, where the guy came up… So there was one video of Tucker where a guy came up to him and said, “What are you doing here? Why are you fishing?” Was clearly trying to kind of instigate something with Tucker, and he was like, “I’m fishing ’cause it’s legal and I like to fish.” It was very… And he’s like, “Why are you filming me?” And he’s like, “Well, I’m allowed to.” And he’s like, “I know. I’m just wondering. I’m allowed to ask.” It was a… Tucker handled that very well. You’re talking about, yeah, he was probably at —
CLAY: — a hunting and fishing store, outdoor store.
BUCK: Yeah, and some guy is like, “You’re the worst person in the universe!” The guy is clearly emotionally unstable.
CLAY: And he had somebody else filming him so was a setup where it’s like, hey, I’m gonna go confront this guy, get the phone out so you make sure that you get it. But I’m opposed to the idea. So whether you’re Democrat, Republican, independent, if you didn’t like what a Democrat-appointed Supreme Court justice was ruling, I don’t think you should be protesting their house, everything else.
But if you are going to argue as vociferously as AOC has, that you should be confronting people who you disagree with in public, I don’t understand how she gets all out of sorts over what is clearly a satirical video designed to get a rise out of her. Again, I don’t agree with it for Democrats or Republicans. But if you make that argument, if I said all the time, “Hey, you see somebody in the media that you disagree with, you need to get up in their face and let ’em know that you hate what they’re us puffing.”
And then someone did it to me, it wouldn’t be fair, in my opinion, for me to put out that video, be like, “Look how mean people were to me in public,” I would be a hypocrite. I don’t think it should happen, period. But if you make that argument, I understand why some people want to call out your hypocrisy by having fun at your expense. And that’s what this guy was doing. It’s satire. It’s parody. If you listen… Let’s play that one or more. It’s almost so quick you can miss it. Right at the front, he says, you’re my favorite big booty Latina who wants to kill babies or supports abortion or whatever. Like, that’s not actually “catcalling.” Listen.
CLAY: Sorry. She wants to kill babies but she’s still beautiful? I don’t think there’s anybody walking down the street who’s like, “Man, what this guy said to me the other day? It really got my heart fluttering! He said I was so beautiful even though I wanted to kill babies.” I mean, it’s satire. That’s what’s going on.
BUCK: It does… The notion of this being catcalling also reminds me of the very viral video of some years ago where a woman who was shapely in the feminine sense, walked around New York City, and the whole point… Do you remember this, Clay?
CLAY: I do remember this video.
BUCK: It was a huge thing. The whole point was that she was being ogled and catcalled and whistled at just as she walked around. She’s wearing very tight sort of clothes.
CLAY: You sound like an old man describing an attractive woman right now. She was very shapely? She was plump in the right places?
BUCK: Yeah, whatever.
CLAY: She was hot.
BUCK: The point is, there was a hot lady walking the streets and there were a lot of guys catcalling her, and initially it was a feminist teaching moment for, like, “Look what women are subjected to in the streets of Manhattan,” and of course, all men were supposed to be angry, ’cause we’re allies against the patriarchy. We’re supposed to cringe and apologize for what we didn’t do but some guys apparently did, and then people — enough people watched the video — were like:
“Every single one of the guys who catcalled was either black or Hispanic in the video.” Every single one of them, if I remember correctly. And then it caused outrage in another direction because it was this is undermining… This is making it seem like this is something that only men of color do and that it’s racist to show this video. Then the feminists had to be on defense because the video only showed black and Latino men in New York City doing the catcalling and everything else. So then there was this on whole apology. “We’re not trying to say that!” The point is wokeness makes everybody stupid and miserable, Clay.
CLAY: That’s well said. Also, I will say this. In my experience, men don’t see race. They see hot. Doesn’t matter where you’re from. Doesn’t matter what your background. Black, white, Asian, or Hispanic, most men that I have ever known in my life — in fact, all of them — have been able to find women of all different backgrounds good-looking because race isn’t the predominating factor. The hot or not is. Unfortunately —
BUCK: I think men can appreciate beauty from all different backgrounds, yes. I totally agree.
CLAY: That’s one of the positive things about men. One of the positive rebuttals to toxic masculinity.